Interview with Trey Azagthoth of Morbid Angel (2000)
by Ron
Ron: How would you compare Gateways to the previous
albums?
Trey: Well, on the old albums, most of the stuff is really fast and
racy, and kind of a raw sound, and this one is more atmospheric, a lot
of groove type patterns, most of the songs on seven string guitars, so
its, you know down tuned, kind of a heavier laid out album with a few
fast tracks but most of the stuff is really deep and kinda spiraling
around, and flowing
R: About the lyrics, Steve has credit for most of the
lyrics on the new album. Whats the writing process like now that
Steve is more entrenched in the band?
T: Before we started writing stuff as far as lyrics, we had a lot
of talks about what the stuff is about, and he had been on formulas and
did a lot of touring, and we pretty much connected, he knew what things
were about. And we had talked about the theme of this record being
"The silent spaces between mans thoughts" and how theres
no inherent meaning to anything in the universe, and how beliefs are
just a perception filter, and things that we attach meaning to, its just
in the mind, its not that the object holds this meaning. So basically
the human race puts together these meanings to feel more comfortable
with things, and to define them, and you know, that has its place in the
world and life, but also it becomes blinding. Whatever you believe,
thats going to highlight what you see and pay attention to, and
the things you don't believe, you may miss. You may miss feelings and
experiences and in some way you're blinded to what things could come
from them. People will just see "the path" as opposed to new
experiences, because they're reference points are from the path. Kind of
a deep thing, its basically from studying the Kabala, Deepak Chopra,
Indian mysticism. A lot of that philosophy goes into what these lyrics
are about. The main thing is in life everything that we do is to achieve
a feeling, its all to move towards something thats pleasurable,
and to move away from something thats painful. For me this album
is all about feeling. You can put any meaning you want to it, but its
the next level, beyond the meaning, its the actual feeling. Thats
the way I play guitar, not from a bunch of theory or calculated
technique and scales, its more just, not knowing what I'm doing, just
playing, and seeing what it feels like. Trying to get that feel.
R: Would you say you want people to get that meaning and
deepness from the lyrics, or do you leave it up to interpretation?
T: Definitely up to interpretation. The lyrics are like poems.
When you read a poem or you look at a painting, theres not some
presented meaning attached to it, its usually for the one whos
looking at it to come to his own conclusion, and put it up against his
own reference points, and it kind then becomes something bigger than one
thing. It kind of moves into a limitless type of thing. For me, its
about having people listen to the album completely open minded, to try
to approach it from a place like meditation. Like silent meditation
where you go out to nature or the sea, and just listen to stuff, and not
try to define it, don't let it trigger memories or anything, but
actually have a stillness of the mind and find no separation between the
sound and the listener, and just grab into that power, because
theres this power there. And thats the real stuff,
thats where we're one with the great ocean, besides being a
separate cup filled with this water. I break it down like this, the real
stuff, energy, nature, its like the great ocean, and all of us
people are like cups, goblets whatever, filled with the water. If you
realize yourself as being the cup, then you're limited. You're in the
realm of time and space, and you're separated, but if you find yourself
as being the water, then you're connected, you're one. I believe that
all living things are connected as this water, and the cup is your
personality and beliefs, and the things that make you seem more diverse.
But they're like clothes, they're not the stuff. Cause what we are as
people as living beings are the creators of ourselves, and when you find
yourself being the creator of yourself, you find out any behavior you
have you created it, you find that you're not that behavior, you can be
another behavior. You're bigger than your behavior, something like what
Tony Robbins said. We're bigger than our ideas, and our behaviors. We're
the one who creates that, and its all about how you see yourself.
Cause if you believe that if you're this particular person and you've
got these particular limitations, whatever. Then there you go,
theres your life, you just dictated it for yourself. But if you
believe you can transcend these limitations, then thats tapping
into that larger energy. So it goes back to belief. Belief is like the
floodgates to your potential.
R: It's interesting with this type of heavy philosophy,
its usually not associated with the brutality of the type of music you
guys are playing. Do you feel its a good medium to try and convey
this type of stuff?
T: I hadn't really thought about it like that. I just do it
because its what I do. I've been doin' this type of stuff for a long
time, and all the stuff I do comes more from my heart and my soul than
from my mind. But as far as when I write music, I don't think about
whats cool or whats fashionable or whats trendy, and
try to jump into that. I just do what I feel. And thats the root
of it. From what I feel, without considering what other people might
think about it.
R: Do you think thats given Morbid Angel the staying
power to remain pretty much true to the original intentions of the bands
for so many years, compared to other bands that have changed their
styles?
T: Sure its all about purpose. For me, I've always felt
that I've had this connection, ever since I was a kid, to this thing...
I come from this place when I create. All the creation comes from this
state, from a more contemplative meditative state. Where you're not
really sitting there discussing stuff or analyzing stuff, you're just
grabbing at feelings, or flowing with a feeling, and its a realization
of energy, and then later you put a label to it. Contemplation is more
thinking about stuff in the intellect, and working with meanings, and
thats more for communication, when you're talking with other
people you gotta use words to find an understanding, but when you
communicate with yourself you don't need words. When you communicate
with nature theres no need for words or meaning. So theres
the two things. Its all important. I don't think someone goes through
life just being blank in the mind and all they are is just formless
spirit. I think the reason to be here, to be alive, is to have fun. To
receive the joy thats all around us, and to not build up these
walls that separate us from the joy. Thats why in the one lyric
that I wrote "the freedoms and the prisons are in the mind"
cause they are. It's all based on interpretation, and interpretation is
based on experience, and experience is based on interpretation, so
you've got a lot of illusions floating around in that, the way I look at
it. Cause you've got two different people who look at the same thing and
get a different meaning out of it, does that mean that one person is
more right than the other? I think the best way to look at that is, how
is this belief working towards their goals? Is it making them feel good,
and helping them flourish in their life, or is it making them feel
lacking, or like they're inadequate. It's really more of a subjective
thing. So to me the main thing is about feeling. And thats why I
listen to music. I don't listen to music like "what does it
mean?" its more like "how does it move me" I don't think
about is it major or minor, or is it correct, just what kind of vibe is
coming out of it.
R: What were some of your influences musically when you
started up Morbid Angel?
T: Mainly stuff like Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing, and Jimi
Hendrix, and Pink Floyd, the kind of feelings that they had going on
with their stuff. And you know, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, the stuff
that was real heavy, the extreme or heavy metal. Louder than whats
considered pop. The more extreme stuff, where people were tapping into
some kind of fury or energy. I've always been into the more energetic
music. If its gonna be metal and loud I want it to be real energetic,
but also I like stuff thats dreamy and floaty and stuff like Pink
Floyd or like The Gathering. Its all about feeling. I just listen to the
kind of music that moves me. I've liked music that other people didn't
like and it didn't matter to me. But me, I base my opinions on how
something moves me, see what it does to me personally.
R: And that would tie into your songwriting too, trying to
get that feeling to other people right?
T: Yeah, I've always been interested in the bands that came out
with something unique. When Eddie Van Halen came out, and with their
first few albums there was really nothing like that, at least nothing on
record, and it was special, and it was paradigm shifting, and it was
breaking models and molds and throwing out the rules. Like Jimi Hendrix
as well, with the sounds and some of the expressions he played, it was
different, it was fresh. It seemed like it went beyond the theory of
music, or starting from the theory and adding all this expression to it.
But it was this kind of personal thing that was really unique, and
thats what drew me to it. I think Eddie Van Halen was one of the
most incredible guitar players ever, and he still is, because he came
out at this time and played a whole brand new kind of way, and it was
incredible, and very energetic and exciting, and exotic and different
and unique. So I guess thats what I try to do with what I do,
cause thats what I'm interested in. Make stuff thats not
mediocre or common, thats special. I don't think I could do
anything normal if I wanted to, cause I'm a freak!
R: Would you consider Morbid Angel a death metal band? I
read an interview with Deicide, and they don't consider themselves death
metal. Do you accept the label?
T: It's fine with me, because for me, death metal seems like the
more extreme form of music. Stuff that doesn't have to abide by rules,
but has its own order to it, its not just a bunch of garbage. Because
theres extreme music that doesn't have any depth to it, and I
don't think of that as death metal. Death metal is music, its got timing
signatures, even though they can be really wacked out, and its trying to
develop new sounds, to make the guitar do new things, rather than the
traditional rock chords. It's trying to make the guitar sound like a
legion of demons marching, or zombies coming out of the ground, or a
hurricane blowing over and devastating.
R: The big news right now is that the tour you guys were
going to head out on with Pantera is cancelled. What are you going to do
now?
T: Well, it just gives us a little more time at home. We're going
to Europe in December. The thing with Pantera though, it was just
postponed, and it'll pick up next year and we're still on it. For every
album we do some serious touring... we had everything planned for these
Pantera tour dates, and it was just gonna be for a month, this initial
thing, so we were thinking it would be a really good opportunity, you
know Pantera draws a lot of people, they're really cool, we were
thinking it'd be really good. So it falling through changed the
situation a little bit, but if we were NOT going to do the Pantera tour,
we'd probably have toured the states headlining for that month anyway.
It always takes time to set up shows though, so it was kind of weird
that it wasn't even a week... within a week of leaving for the tour we
heard it was over! So it was disheartening, cause we were all geared up
and ready, and now we're just sitting around the house. But it worked
out, because now we're going to be on the Pantera tour for like two
months instead of just one. So it worked out well.
R: Do you think you'll tour again as a headliner? Or is
the Pantera tour going to be it?
T: No, I think we'll still do a headlining tour, maybe two.
R: Well, we'll hope to see you guys up here in Rochester.
Are you getting sick of questions about what you're going to name your
27th album?
T: I haven't even thought about it... that's pretty far in the
future.
R: Do you have any advice for young people that are
getting into music? What would you say to a new band that's trying to
break into the scene?
T: I think the number one thing is to play the kind of music that
is so fun, that you don't think about all the hours of preparation it
takes to do something with a band. Make it into play and not work. When
you start to find that your band is work, then change what you're doing.
Because you could go work a day job or something and probably have more
security. A band is supposed to be fun. So you should play music that
makes you feel ecstasy. And you should play stuff from the heart. I
think that's the most important thing. The rest is just details you can
talk to a lawyer or a manager about. But the core of it is to come from
a place of passion. The spirit needs to come through in the music,
because its all about vibration. Thats where it happens. And I
think that's the power, thats the whole deal.
R: I noticed in the 'Thanks' on the album you thanked your
Quake 3 clan, are you into gaming a lot?
T: Actually yeah, this year I played quite a bit. I've kinda
'lived' in the arena's. I recorded my solos while I was watching people
play. Cause I record my solos at my house. And yeah, its great. It's
actually rail quake, thats the way I like to play. It's more of a
fun clan, we have some good players and we have a lot of fun. I was
always into Doom, and I play ZDoom online. But Quake 3 with the Rail has
hooked me pretty well.
R: What kind of gaming rig do you have?
T: Right now I have a p3 600 with 256mb of RAM. The area I live
in doesn't have cable or DSL, so I'm on some stupid asshole modem.
R: That sucks
T: Yeah, it does, but you know, I still have some good games. I
have a lot of fun. The thing is I would play for like 3 days without
sleeping, and I'd be in such a zone, that my ping didn't matter. I just
had it going.
R: Well maybe Ill see you on a server some time.
Thanks very much for talkin' to me here. Hopefully we'll see you up in
here in Rochester.
T: Thank you man, have a good one.