Interview with Trey Azagthoth (30, September 2003)
By Brian Davis
5 years ago, in a moment of spontaneous irresponsibility, my roommate and I walked out on our jobs and elected to get kicked out of our house in order to take the rent money and drive 6 hours to see Morbid Angel for the first time. Now, I know a lot of people in the world cant fathom something like that -- I know my family didnt -- but certainly most of the people reading this can. Perhaps not for this band in particular --Morbid Angel isnt for everybody -- but Im sure you all have at least one band that you wouldnt hesitate to do the same thing for. Thats what music does to us -- it reaches us and moves us and inspires us to do crazy things like that, because there is satisfaction in that; a level of satisfaction wed all be hard pressed to duplicate in any other medium.
Now imagine having the opportunity to interview someone from the band that inspires you to do such things. A chance to find out things that youve always wondered about -- techniques, inspirations, influences -- to actually go one on one and get an up-close glimpse of the source of your inspiration. So when Sefany Jones wrote and offered me the chance to interview my personal guitar hero, it was a truly ecstatic moment. Regardless of what anyone says, these are the moments you live for -- moments where your paths cross with those that have brought at the very least some necessary distraction from the rat race of life, and at the most provided some vital inspiration.
What follows is the realization of a personal achievement and some solid insight into one of the most talented guitar players in metal, as well as plenty of detail about the new Morbid Angel album, Heretic. The reader would do well to take note of the fact that some musicians still place the highest value in their art and put forth the rare effort that used to be commonplace in the metal world. Morbid Angel set the standard when they helped bring Death Metal from the depths of the Florida underground, and they continue to raise the bar to this day.
Note: At the time of this interview Tampa, Florida was being pounded by a severe rain and thunderstorm. There were moments where it was difficult to discern Treys exact words with thunder exploding in the background. I have transcribed these parts as best I could, but note that the wording may not be exact. These instances are marked with **.
KNAC.COM: This is a real honor, Trey -- Ive been a fan for years.
KNAC.COM: Well, shall we start? Ive been reading about the alphabetic
process you use in naming your albums. You started with Altars Of Madness, and
are up to H with Heretic now-is there any specific reason behind that?
AZAGTHOTH: Well, it kinda goes along with numerology and the sequence of things. Its just kind of a special thing we did -- I mean, the first two albums just kinda came out that way naturally, then I paid attention and we were thinking we should keep doing this because its kind of different. Before I played in a band, I was always interested in bands that I would listen to that had any kind of special little things to read between the lines. When Id listen to their music Id think, Whats this band about? you know, back in the old days, before they would do MTV and whatever. Youd look at a record, or read a magazine, maybe see them on tour. So yeah, I was just thinking -- yeah, it would be a cool thing to do; and it does go with, you know-- our band has always been about spirituality and the occult and secret teachings of all ages, things like that, so it kind of goes in that way. Its just a really nice sequence.
KNAC.COM: Very cool. So this album will be the 3rd time youve been
the sole guitarist on an album, correct?
AZAGTHOTH: Uh, lets see
KNAC.COM: I believe there was Covenant, then Formulas [Fatal To The Flesh]
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, that was-- yeah, yeah, yeah I did all the guitars on Covenant, Formulas, and this one, and I played all the riffs on Blessed [Are The Sick].
KNAC.COM: Ok, does that have any differing effect on your writing/recording
AZAGTHOTH: It makes it a lot more fun for me. I really kinda like to work alone, and I got it covered, you know I got all these-- the whole idea is like, I come up with one part, and then I really enjoy coming up with what would be the next part. And I kinda know where its gonna go because Im the one putting it together. When you work with other people, you know, unless either you dont have any particulars as to how you want it to go, or it can just be a surprise Im not really like that. I kinda like to put it all together myself as much as possible, and its kinda hard sometimes to explain where Im trying to go with something so that someone else can contribute, you know, make a rhythm that goes with it, and I dont like hurting peoples feelings when I dont like something. I kinda avoid the whole thing.
KNAC.COM: As far as touring and the live setting, have you found a replacement
for Erik [Rutan] yet?
AZAGTHOTH: Uh, were working on it. Well have a guitar player for sure once we start touring.
KNAC.COM: Steve Tucker has come back on this album as well, with the bass
and the vocals
I thought Jared [Anderson] did a good job in the live setting,
but Im excited to see Steve back.
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, yeah Hes doing a great job, Im really impressed with everything he did for his singing on the record. Im real happy about it.
KNAC.COM: Formulas is my favorite Morbid Angel album, and I think he really
stepped up into some big shoes there and just made an over the top record.
AZAGTHOTH: He didnt have a lot to have to deal with on that record. I wrote all the lyrics, and [laughs] I really didnt take into account breathing. [Laughs] On songs like Chambers of Dis you know, its like-- man, the lines so many words! I felt bad, didnt give him time to breathe. It was more me trying to put together some cool stuff like ancient poets, like ancient poetry, ancient chants, things like that, you know. But on this record, of course, he wrote all the lyrics. And he wrote them with the way he would do his phrasing and breathing and working words in that he says really well and, you know, whatever, so he put his personal touches. And hes been in this band and done enough stuff to where it came natural for him to do the right thing and come up with something that fits, you know, do something Id be excited about and hes excited about. So yeah, its all good-- Im really happy about it.
KNAC.COM: Ive managed to hear a few of the new songs and I definitely
noticed some extra range and a little more ferocity coming out of Steve. It
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, that was something I talked to him about. I definitely wanted to have a good mix of underground tonality but [LOUD CRASH] Wow
KNAC.COM: Whoa! What was that?
AZAGTHOTH: Lightning around here! .Um, underground tonality and real catchy phrasing. So, hooky phrasing but with a really tough tonality, really edgy, which is kinda tough to do sometimes.
KNAC.COM: There seems to be a little more hook to the music too, from what
I heard. The guitars seem to be maybe a little more crunchy or groovy.
AZAGTHOTH: Oh yeah, yeah. I definitely am all about putting together some sick poly-rhythm grooves at this time and putting swing in even the fast stuff, which is not much different than the old songs, its just that with this record we were able to spend so much time getting the performances just how we wanted them, to get the sound right that I think this record really delivers with feeling. You know, weve been doing triplets, grooves and stuff since Altars in songs like, Blaspheme The Holy Ghost -- it has the same vibe as the first song on the new record. Its the same triplet thing, its just more -- theres more going on, its expanded. But itsyeah, I think with, as time goes on, it keeps working out more interesting ways to make the guitar come across like its playing backwards, you know, weird stretching kind of things, in and out of the timing, but have it still hooky and catchy so its not just like you have to be a jazz musician to enjoy it.
KNAC.COM: Youve done the vocals on the songs Secured Limitations
[from Gateways To Annihilation] and Invocation Of The Continual One
[from Formulas Fatal To The Flesh]. Was that ever a consideration to you, to
just step up and take over the bass and vocals yourself?
AZAGTHOTH: No, Im just a guitar player. Like, for live, I just really like to focus on guitar, so I wouldnt wanna try to take away from that to sing live. So, just on records on records you can do whatever, you know? You can do stuff, you know theres all this extra room to explore, thats the way we do it. So, it was fun for me to sing on the few songs I did in the past, and it didnt matter if we couldnt do them the same way live, you know? I dont care, it doesnt matter, its all about fun. Some bands make records that sound totally different than the song is live, you know, theres all kinds of different rules, I guess, to that. But for me, I just really-- those two songs I felt like I really wanted to do them, and I just did them. It was a lot of fun, I like the way it turned out.
KNAC.COM: Invocation -- thats my personal favorite song.
The lyrics on that are definitely over the wall.
AZAGTHOTH: Oh yeah!! That one, I really had a great time doing that, those words really meant a lot to me, and that whole song was just, like, a big celebration.
KNAC.COM: The whole approach -- I mean, obviously the musicianship of the
band is what sets you guys apart, but the thing that won me over was your lyrical
approach with the Sumerian and metaphysics and the occult themes. It totally
opened me up to not only the music, but to reading subjects and other stuff
like that that is so fascinating, so much more than most people are putting
into their music nowadays.
AZAGTHOTH: Sure, yeah I guess so. I mean, I know that for what drives this band is that-- this band is like the instrument, the medium for what I believe is the energies of the universe to channel through. And its not THE only medium, its just one of them. And we-- thats where I come from with my writing, and thats the message, you know, the key towards tapping into your higher self and to first start thinking for yourself, and to start understanding the basic principles, the divine order of principles of all things of the universe, the way things work, the power of beliefs, you know, the power of habit, the power of the different parts of the mind and the different levels of existence, and identifying yourself as the silent observer, or as the manifestER not the manifestED. You know, lifting out of yourself and seeing the difference between what you see and your self, or what you hear and your self,** because theyre no different. The only difference is just a bunch of words, a bunch of messages in the mind. Separating the Ego from the Spirit and the Soul. You know, that type of stuff -- I think its really powerful stuff, Ive always been interested in magic and the occult. So thats in the music, and I definitely mix it up, its not like I just read one book and thats what Im talking about. Ive read all kinds of books; Ive put together my own little salad bar of the way that it works for me and only offer it as suggestions and guidelines and something to maybe inspire somebody to look further. I always give my references -- Im not here trying to say I know it all and Im sharing this brilliant new belief system, because its not new, its been around since theres been thinking individuals. So yeah, thats what I do, it mixes it up, it has a little bit of Sumerian, it has Tony Robbins, it has the Quabalah, its got Plato you know, its just all kinds of stuff.
KNAC.COM: Awesome. And that kind of ties in with the cover on the new album,
which I think is a great cover. There seems to be a lot of imagery coming into
play on this. I read a piece that you had written that was up on the Earache
site about the dualism of Water representing Force and Fire representing Form
AZAGTHOTH: Actually its the other way around.
KNAC.COM: Ah, OK -- so Fire is Force and Water is Form.
AZAGTHOTH: Right. Its just, you know, when we go into talk, words and stuff its just descriptions, and theyre not ones I made up, Ive read them in many-- theyve been referenced in many books, especially about the Quabalah, about this dualism of Force and Form, you know, these two things that keep things in balance like, say the sun-- well, youve read the thing, so Im not going to go into what Ive already said, but Force and Form you see it everywhere, and the fire and water its like the Quabalah, the most high triad of the Quabalah is Kether, Chokmah and Binah, and Kether is the divine breath, the realization of the potential of what one can do, and Chokmah is the will, the drive, the fire, and Binah is the water, the reflections of the imagination. So its kinda like, you know, you got your form, which is your material parts to put something together, then you gotta put energy into putting it together. These are two things that work with manifestation, you know, without going into it really deep. But, it is, you know, its referred to in many studies, people might use different words, something like that, but yeah, its just the way I look at it personally.
KNAC.COM: What about the owls on the cover -- whats the symbolism
AZAGTHOTH: Thats part of the image of Lilith, the Goddess of the Heretic, or Amah-Ushumgal-Anna, theres different titles I give to the image. But the owls, Im sure theres different kinds of ideas, but like with Athena, the Greek goddess, they were like wisdom. Thats kinda one of the most common associations with the owls, and, you know, Im sure theres other ones as well, its just part of the image.
KNAC.COM: Alright, what about touring? Youre going to be going out
on the next leg of Danzigs Blackest Of The Black Tour, correct?
AZAGTHOTH: Well, were hoping that that comes together um, it hasnt been confirmed yet, so I cant-- I dont really wanna talk about it until I hear from my manager for sure, but we can only hope. Im looking forward to it, and I hope that it happens, you know, it should be really cool, it should be a blast. I would love to play these new songs for a large audience like that and see what the response is.
KNAC.COM: Yeah, that tour has a lot of potential to get a lot of good bands
a little more out of the underground and in front of a larger crowd, so hopefully
thatll do some good.
KNAC.COM: OK, last time, when you were touring for Gateways, you got a big
boost by getting to go out with Slayer and Pantera. That was pretty unprecedented
for an Extreme Metal band to get that arena access and mass appeal. What was
that like for you?
AZAGTHOTH: Ah, it was awesome. I had a great time. It was really cool to be able to play on these big stages and playing for all these new people, plus there was a lot of people that came that knew about our band, so it wasnt like it was just people that have never heard of us. But there were also people that didnt know much about us and they got a chance to check us out, and it all seemed good. You know, I think we got some new fans, some people that were checking out our records and all that after the tour, and coming up to some other tours we did. So it was very positive, and it was a lot of fun -- I personally enjoyed watching Pantera play. I think theyre a great band and I really like the guitar player and I think Phil is really an awesome individual. So yeah, it was just a blast I had a great time. Id giggle inside of myself every time wed play some of these songs and play it on such an arena, you know, such a big presentation of some of these songs, and just knowing like, even when wed play something like, Ageless Still I Am, you know nobody writes songs like that-- that song is so over the top, so different, so trippy, you know, the stereo imaging of the guitars, the poly-rhythms, the weird grooves, and whatever-- it was just, yeah man, very, very exciting and very fun to know that were just drilling people with stuff like that, and like Chapel Of Ghouls, you know whatever, all these different songs Rapture just blasting and beating people down with the blast -- it was phenomenal.
KNAC.COM: Yeah, it was great being in the crowd, seeing the look on a lot
of peoples faces. In their minds, Pantera and Slayer was the heaviest
shit and then Morbid Angel comes up right away and just kicks the crowds
ass. It was pretty gratifying as a Morbid Angel fan to see them get some new
perspective on that.
AZAGTHOTH: Absolutely. Yeah, I thought it was absolutely phenomenal, and I was so happy, and it was all thanks to Phil. Phils the one that pulled for us to be on the bill when it didnt make sense any other way -- we werent selling millions of records, we didnt have any labels lacing anybodys palms to buy us on, whatever -- we were just there because Phil wanted us to be there, and we didnt have a reputation it was mainly Phil, you know -- he was the one that put it together for us.
KNAC.COM: Like you said, it opened you up to a lot more people. I noticed
before the tour youd had about 300,000 or so on the counter on your website,
and now its well over 1,000,000. Obviously that had some serious impact
on some new people out there!
KNAC.COM: Did you like the arena scene as opposed to the intimate club type
setting, or is there a preference, or just as long as you can play?
AZAGTHOTH: I dont have a preference. I like all of it, as long as I can get some kind of cool sound on the stage where I can feel what Im doing and things sound powerful where Im standing, then its all good. I like big stages, you know, and small stages are cool, too.
KNAC.COM: Now your solos
they always stand out. Ask anybody about
Morbid Angel, and thats one of the first things theyre gonna talk
about: Treys solos. Theyre almost like a song within a song. Most
bands nowadays dont even play solos, and yet you put all this special
effort into it. What drives you to put so much effort into your solos?
AZAGTHOTH: Being inspired by great guitar players like Eddie Van Halen; growing up on people like that, thinking of that as whats normal, to do that kind of stuff, to stand out, to offer new stuff, to think outside the box. Thats what it is for me -- me just being a kid at heart, playful with what I do. I still listen to our stuff like a fan. You know, I write this music and Im a fan. It might sound funny, but I fuckin love the music that we do and I TOTALLY love this record. When I listen to the solos that are on there, the drumming, whatever the whole thing, especially the solos because I went so deep into making them feel like youre inside a lava lamp. You know, actually being inside the environment of a bubbling lava lamp, and thats just the feeling of it, the sound, and I did all these weird mic-ing techniques with the wind riffs** and the anti-vacuum culture, and all these interesting ways of putting the microphone to the cabinet and some kind of weird thing going on, a creative little thing to make it sound special. And its all over the record, and when I listen to that Im thinking, Yeah! I try to think of how is this coming out today compared to what other bands are doing today, and yeah I do think its different. I feel real excited about it.
KNAC.COM: Its encouraging to hear that level of dedication. Standards
seem to have slipped in certain industries, so its good to see guys like
you out there pushing to maintain a certain level of enjoyment in the music,
and making it fun and original.
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, its fun. With us its all about doing what we want to do, and I think our fans understand that -- they know that were not making music for them, like were just making music hoping that theyll like it -- thats not our approach. Were making music that makes us feel satisfied and music that we really feel in our hearts, and were not considering what anybody else in the whole world or universe will think about it, just us -- what do we think, whats really true for us, and there it is and then we offer it and people can listen to it and make of it what they will, you know, and so far so good. People have been into what we do and they know its a pure experience and were not thinking, Okay, well whats going on in the scene today and Okay, this stuffs popular, so lets try to sound like this or whatever. I dont even know what music sounds like today, to be honest.
KNAC.COM: What are you listening now? Are there some old bands or new bands
that you think are out there really
AZAGTHOTH: I mainly listen to R&B. The silly rap and R&B, silly stuff like that on this one channel, cause its groovy. I dont like the radio. When I drive in my car I listen to the radio, but other than that I really would never listen to it. I dont like Rock & Roll on the radio, I dont like Metal stations -- maybe there are some really good ones out there, but not in my area. But R&B just has this silly little thing going on, it just makes me laugh and it moves my body and, you know, I love music like that -- music that moves my body and grooves and stuff in that kind of way, dynamic.
KNAC.COM: Right on. Lets see
getting down to the end of my list
here. So, whether the Danzig thing comes together or not, do you have a big
world-scale tour planned, or are you gonna start slow and local, or what?
AZAGTHOTH: Um, well be touring -- as far as the main touring -- will be the beginning of next year. I dont know exactly when or where, but I imagine itll be like any other year where well do at least two headlining tours in major markets, and then hopefully some opening slots. You know, if we get something like the Danzig tour, or maybe something else next year. But yeah, definitely a lot of headlining stuff. I would say well play all the major markets like before, like we have been doing, and usually twice -- we usually go through there twice -- tour the states twice as a headliner or something like that. I would imagine thats what well do again. Maybe some bigger places, you know, it all depends on how many people get into the record, so well just have to see.
KNAC.COM: Well, its certainly got the power in it -- I was certainly
impressed with what I heard. Cant wait to check out more of it.
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, it does have a lot of power. And it sounds probably different. Ive heard different, how can I say minimal minimalistic criticism on some things, but I think its just nothing different than when people first heard Blessed [Are The Sick]. When people first heard Blessed, they were disappointed. It was really funny, I remember it SO well, I remember it SO well, noones gonna fool me. When Blessed first came out, it was like-- I mean not everybody, but there were quite a few people that were just really taken off guard, and what they said to me was, What happened to the sound? You guys changed your sound. Its so clean now, its so clear now. I dont know if I like that or not. You guys slowed down, whyd you do that? And its just so funny. But, you know, today Blessed is usually on each Morbid Angel high part of their list, you know, the one they like the best. So maybe its just that it was so different and shocking and they were expecting Altars Of Madness Part 2, and they didnt get that -- they got something totally different, and they were taken off guard a little bit. And then after they listened to it they found what it had to offer, you know, which was cool.
With this record, I mean, this record is crushing -- this Heretic record. But you know, its not super drum-heavy like, in other words, I think bands today or even some of our music have had the drums, like the kick drum is more bassy, swallowing up the rhythm, and the vocals may be a little bit louder or something, I dont know. But this thing sounds brilliant. I mean, one guy said, Oh they just went for the easy listening mix where everything sounds clear**, but yet its not clear and thin -- its like really pumping, its the kind of music to listen on headphones to. Most Death Metal or real Extreme Metal on headphones -- or at least to me -- gets kind of exploding sounding, and this almost sounds like Pink Floyd on headphones, you know all the details, theres lots of dynamics. We did special things with the mastering where we didnt compress the hell out of it. Its almost like a record. Its actually the guitars and things that ripple out of the speakers thats supposed to be tamed by compression, you know, limiting. We did all this special stuff, so its probably a paradigm shifting mix and production compared to what other people are doing today, so maybe people might be confused because the music is right there and the sound is perfect -- I mean, I wouldnt change a damn thing! Its ALL deliberate, the way it is. I wouldnt want it to be more exploding, because the explosion -- thats cool for some songs, but not these songs. These songs you need to hear the definition, to distinguish all the stuff going on. There is some high technical, complicated stuff going on with these songs, but its not done in some way where you gotta be into jazz or be some shredder guitar player to appreciate it. Its easy, but its not easy Its a yes/no, its really something special; it took a lot of time and effort to work on it, but its very deliberate to be totally twisted and sick but yet easy to listen to at the same time. Its like a yes/no -- its a paradox. So yeah, its definitely exactly what we wanted, its exactly what I wanted, and I think its just really over the top. I wanted the guitars, the rhythm to be so out front that people could hear everything going on, and know theres all this playing going on, you know, its not just like a distorted guitar sound theres all this picking and deliberate technique. Its not just smokescreen with technique to try and be some phenom guitar player or whatever, but its just feeling its lava. Its not even technique -- its lava. Its just painting worlds and landscapes, you know this mix I think really shows that so well.
KNAC.COM: And I think thats the thing that makes your band stand out-that
effort. And pleasing yourself -- I think thats the easiest way to make
the fans happy, doing whats honest and true to you, then everything else
just follows suit by maintaining your own integrity. Im glad to hear that.
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, we do things our own way, and Im sure other people do things the way they wanna do it, you know. Im not here to judge the difference between us and other bands. I mean I dont even really know what other stuff is going on today, but I know that what were doing is we just kinda -- like my stuff, when I write, Im not listening to other stuff, Im not going out to clubs, I dont know anything about whats going on, I just know whats going on in my own world, so I just come from that place. Yeah, I think theres some really cool riffs. I mean, I think about these riffs and I just think man -- theyre so cool! I just get really excited about it.
KNAC.COM: And I also read that you took a lot of inspiration on your solos
out of the Quake and Doom PC games.
AZAGTHOTH: Oh yeah, yeah -- definitely. And actually, I even made a Doom map for Doom II -- not the newest Doom, but the old school Doom, and theres this patch called Z-Doom which you can add to the Doom II game and then you can jump and you combine controls, like Quake, and you can change resolution and whatever, its faster, theres all kinds of cool stuff. But I made a map -- a single player map -- and Im gonna share it with all the fans, whoever wants to download it. Im gonna put it up probably on the website, you know, sometime close to when the record comes out so people can listen to the music and then they can go into this world that I created and jam against all these hideous monsters and all these situations that I set up, you know, waiting for them like a trap. I dont know, I mean, by now everybody knows Im totally into games. Some people might think Im boring because thats what I like to do but hey, Im not here to live my life for anyone else. I like to do what I do, and I get the joy out of it, and at the end of the day thats what lifes about: getting the joy. So yeah, I got this map and think some people will be stoked to check it out and whatever --its another avenue of my creativity.
KNAC.COM: Have you ever considered branching into that any more? Maybe devoting
more to a game, or even doing soundtracks for games -- thats becoming
popular. Any considerations like that?
AZAGTHOTH: Ive kinda looked into it, but I dont know -- it just hasnt worked out yet. Maybe itll work out at some point -- I think that some of these people [**Note: The tape ran out here, and part of the dialogue was lost as I was switching over**] You know, thats the kind of game I wanna do, or I dont wanna do anything at all. So maybe people understand that, and they know that Im very particular and Im not gonna waste their time or my time doing something that I cant get into, and some of these people are waiting for me to sell a million records or something before theyll consider it. So that kinda has to do with it -- it just hasnt worked out, but you know, maybe it will. Maybe thats what Ill do, you know, 10 years from now --I dont know.
KNAC.COM: Well, that sounds like a good possibility there. Itd be
great to see your efforts in other fields as well.
AZAGTHOTH: Oh yeah.
KNAC.COM: Well, Im down to the end of my list there
like I said,
this has been an incredible honor. This is my first interview and to get to
interview one of my all time favorite musicians is quite an honor. So I certainly
AZAGTHOTH: Excellent man, no problem -- thank you. I enjoyed it, it was good!
KNAC.COM: I cant wait to get the album. Im sure it wont
leave my CD player for several months, so Ill soak it all up.
AZAGTHOTH: Yeah, you know and it comes with a bonus disc as well, with demos -- demos that Ive prepared of these songs with my drum machine, and doing my little left and right guitar, you know, building stuff and making demos to give to Pete and to Steve to do their part with. So thats included, too, on the bonus disc. I just wanna really-- just trying to do all these different things, you know. I started out with doing the Love Of Lava thing, and some people were really into that, you know, they thought it was pretty cool. But the overall thing didnt have a whole lot of time to it, even though it was kinda like a special thing where how else are you gonna hear the solos without the music? So I did it like that. And theres a lot more exploring like that on this record, on the bonus disc, and theres all these little things that people should enjoy listening to. Theres lots of time worth of sounds and things to hear.
KNAC.COM: Right on, theyll definitely get their moneys worth
out of it.
KNAC.COM: Cool. Well, like I said -- I certainly appreciate it. I look forward
to seeing you on tour. Hopefully you make it up to the Northwest at least once,
hopefully several times.
AZAGTHOTH: Sure, excellent!
KNAC.COM: Alright, well -- good luck, and hopefully well talk to you
AZAGTHOTH: Alright man, take care and thanks for the interview!